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GreenGecko
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What is it with
this? Has the general gaming press started to
accept huge bugs, like those found in Driv3r, as
"normal"? Because the reviews criticised in this
(brilliant) topic and even the BBC one posted by
KKLEIN all fail to mention these bugs. It's simply
terrible, this growing trend among critics to
simply disregard technical flaws in games. Would
you notice if there was a cigarette burn on the
film for Lord of the Rings? Would you notice
someone talking in the background of a Red Hot
Chili Peppers recording? Yes? Well then why the
hell do, it seems, some people not notice when your car
in a game drives directly through a wall?
Games journalism today is becoming as poor
as the average writer's confusion between a
sentence and a paragraph, and I am, quite frankly,
not going to put up with it. Things like this have
always been a pain in my backside and personally
I'm very happy to see things like this being
noticed. It is just not acceptable.
Some
of the writing quality is as insulting to me as it
would be to any A* GCSE English student for crying
out loud, yet alone a proffesional journalist. To
think that to make money the best publishers can
do is take bribes rather than hiring better
writers is simply pathetic, and above all,
lazy.
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Who bets Edge
have just changed their score from 9 to 3 so as
not to enrage us
further?
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| GreenGecko
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Games journalism today is
becoming as poor as the average writer's
confusion between a sentence and a paragraph,
and I am, quite frankly, not going to put up
with it. Things like this have always been a
pain in my backside and personally I'm very
happy to see things like this being noticed. It
is just not acceptable.
Some of the
writing quality is as insulting to me as it
would be to any A* GCSE English student for
crying out loud, yet alone a proffesional
journalist. To think that to make money the best
publishers can do is take bribes rather than
hiring better writers is simply pathetic, and
above all, lazy. |
Yeah, that interview with
the former EDGE editor (posted a few pages back)
acknowledged that. He was basically saying that if
the paymasters pay sh*t money, they've got to
expect to get sh*t writers. Of course there are
some very good videogames journalists around, but
the formula of "oh-so-funny.....not" opening
paragraphs in reviews, and the miserable attempts
at humour all the way through and hardly talking
about the game itself, is really starting to piss
me off whenever I read reviews from certain
people....
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Those copies of
ET buried in the desert are getting
lonely.
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| the_shadow
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| Who bets Edge have just changed
their score from 9 to 3 so as not to enrage us
further? |
Just you. Does anyone have
any quotes from the
text?
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Edge = one of
the few decent gaming mags left, which in my
opinion includes Games TM, NGC and Famitsu as well
as a few notable others, which I can't remember.
Oh and I forgot The guide  .
I particularly like Red Eye's
work in Edge.
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| Eighthours
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| dodgy_dave
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| And Driver 1 was
excellent.... |
.....in
1999. |
Driver 1 is excellent! As
a matter of fact, I've just ordered the PC version
today ('cos my PSone disc is buggered), and it's
far better than Driver 3. Oh yes.
(It's a
rather bizarre concept that gameplay can get worse
with age; it's not like you can't enjoy old films
or old music, is it?)
| geff
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When you go to watch a movie
your are being fed a story, you have no control
over its outcome and therefore you either enjoy
it or you dont, you can however state reasons
why you may not have enjoyed it i.e poor
character emotions or plain bad acting.
In the case of a game you are in
control... you have a part in making the story
and making the enjoyment for yourself. In the
game driv3r your enjoyment is not hindered by
your own doing it is hindered by the unarguable
flaws and design bugs... metaphorically similar
to if one of the actors in "The day After
Tomorrow" suddenly stops and says "...er what
are my lines again?". If that had happened no
film review could deny it being there, much like
no magazine should have denied the faults in
Driv3r being there. |
That's a rather flawed
argument, isn't it?
How is it easier to point
out the flaws in a piece of interactive
audio-visual media than it is to point them out in
a non-interactive one?
Some people seem to
think that music and film are immune to
professional criticism and that you can only "say
whether you like it or not"; that's just utter
bollocks. It's quite easy to point out 'flaws' in
films and in music; professionals who have studied
such things are trained to look out for techniques
used, whether those be directing techniques, use
of music chords, tempo, rhythm, pacing,
structure... things which they universally
consider important and necessary to point out.
This is no different from pointing out the 'flaws'
in a game.
Ultimately, however, no matter how
you try to justify it, no matter what way you look
at it, it's still just a matter of opinion. It's
one person giving their view of
what should or should not be
happening within the game world.
Unless, of
course, Reflections came on here and told us
they'd made it all wrong and we're all right.
| dodgy_dave
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| From the beginning I've been
saying I don't let the flaws get in the way of
what I see to be a great game. If others choose
to then that's up to
them. |
The bonnet flipping up and
blocking my view
of the road was always a bit of flaw in my
eyes. One of many, of course.
(And
obvisouly somehting the original Driver didn't
have a problem with! Technology: Kills games,
dead.)  | |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:04
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| Sprite Machine
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| Eighthours
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| dodgy_dave
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| And Driver 1 was
excellent.... |
.....in
1999. |
Driver 1 is excellent!
As a matter of fact, I've just ordered the PC
version today ('cos my PSone disc is buggered),
and it's far better than Driver 3. Oh yes.
(It's a rather bizarre concept that
gameplay can get worse with age; it's not like
you can't enjoy old films or old music, is it?)
| geff
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When you go to watch a movie
your are being fed a story, you have no control
over its outcome and therefore you either enjoy
it or you dont, you can however state reasons
why you may not have enjoyed it i.e poor
character emotions or plain bad acting.
In the case of a game you are in
control... you have a part in making the story
and making the enjoyment for yourself. In the
game driv3r your enjoyment is not hindered by
your own doing it is hindered by the unarguable
flaws and design bugs... metaphorically similar
to if one of the actors in "The day After
Tomorrow" suddenly stops and says "...er what
are my lines again?". If that had happened no
film review could deny it being there, much like
no magazine should have denied the faults in
Driv3r being
there. |
That's a rather flawed
argument, isn't it?
How is it easier to
point out the flaws in a piece of interactive
audio-visual media than it is to point them out
in a non-interactive one?
Some people seem
to think that music and film are immune to
professional criticism and that you can only
"say whether you like it or not"; that's just
utter bollocks. It's quite easy to point out
'flaws' in films and in music; professionals who
have studied such things are trained to look out
for techniques used, whether those be directing
techniques, use of music chords, tempo, rhythm,
pacing, structure... things which they
universally consider important and necessary to
point out. This is no different from pointing
out the 'flaws' in a game.
Ultimately,
however, no matter how you try to justify it, no
matter what way you look at it, it's still just
a matter of opinion. It's one person giving
their
view of what should or
should
not be happening within the game world.
Unless, of course, Reflections came on here
and told us they'd made it all wrong and we're
all right.
| dodgy_dave
wrote: |
| From the beginning I've been
saying I don't let the flaws get in the way of
what I see to be a great game. If others choose
to then that's up to
them. |
The bonnet flipping up and
blocking my
view of the road was always a bit of flaw
in my eyes. One of many, of course.
(And
obvisouly somehting the original Driver didn't
have a problem with! Technology: Kills games,
dead.) |
You watch.....in a few
months we'll get a very juicy interview telling us
exactly what went wrong with Driv3r by some
Reflections bod, either when they get a new
publisher for their next game or when someone big
leaves the company. It's happened
before.....
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:07
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Yes, I sense an
Edge retrospective featuring all the prominent
cast.
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Even
Totalgames.net have got a discussion going on
about it - it's headed "Scandal at Future
Publishing". Couldn't of put it better
myself.
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GreenGecko
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Sorry but this
particular "reader review" of Driv3r from a
Gamespot Complete membership amused me...
| NbaDanny15
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Gamespot, shame on you.. i mean
come on the game is amazing. I understand why
xbox got a low low review.. to much glitches in
that version of it. As u can tell I have the ps2 version
and i only noticed about 2 glitches hands
down. Its very fun and enjoyable although
i have to admit i like driver1 a lil more. Great game and should
be a high rating if u ask me. I wish they
delayed it a lil longer to fix those glitches
and make it smoother and away from glitching but no game
is perfect. Gta, why freaking
compare that to this.. this is more life like
and i think driv3r is better in
everyway. well i give it a 9
and if u play it and understand the story
ull love it. but gamespots review
shouldnt fool u at all just head over to http://www.dri3vr.com/ click
forum and check out what ppl are saying about
xbox and ps2 versions.
Gameplay-9
Graphics-8
Sound-10
Value-9
Tilt-9
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NbaDanny15 [POSTED: 2004-06-22
10:12:43] |
I wonder why people at the
official Driv3r foums love it so much... 
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:19
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| KKLEIN
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| Even Totalgames.net have got a
discussion going on about it - it's headed
"Scandal at Future Publishing". Couldn't of put
it better myself. |
Linky? I cannee find it.
Sorry I'm being dumb. Just trying to
register for their forums but it doesn't seem to
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What is "tilt"
and how does that get a nine?   
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:30
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| OctogenarianPussy
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| Yes, I sense an Edge
retrospective featuring all the prominent
cast. |
A special "The Non-making
of...Driv3r"?
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A small
addition...
Kerrang mag gave it 5/5
though
thats more down to their style i
think.
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