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Driv3r Reviews. Were PSM2 & XBW honest? (Part II)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evil or Very Mad This thread probably brought to mind what a lot of people already believed to be true...
I used to read PSM2 when my bro got his Playstation2, and i had chose it because i had read its father, the magazine for the original Playstation almost every month...
I think most people where suspicious about it's high reviews...
One of the biggest tragedies to my mind was Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons Of Liberty...10/10... I dont know how many people have played this but, it is absolutely terrible, i havent heard a person say it was more than 6/10...

Its obvious these magazines are looking out for themselves.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve wrote:
There’s only a few decent magazines available today, Edge (obviously), NGC, games™, PC Gamer and erm, that’s it. The rest are absolute rubbish.


Hey - 3 out of four ain't bad (NGC is the only one of those mentioned I don't get). And I don't get any other game mags - because, as Steve says, they are absolute rubbish. I hate being spoken to like I'm a lager-lout, or a tits-mad chav. I hate seeing all the creativity and idealism of games developers reduced to a few mindless, appallingly 'written' lines of nonsense. I can't stand magazines who claim to love games and gaming but spend the majority of their pages talking about anything but games, just having a laff with their mates.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly-Mgs2 wasnt crap-
Secondly Atari must be stupid for asking for 2 good reviews from the same publisher,why not try a diferrent company,s' less suspiscious.....
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamiej wrote:
Secondly Atari must be stupid for asking for 2 good reviews from the same publisher,why not try a diferrent company,s' less suspiscious.....

Well seeing as there's really only 2 companies anyway (Paragon & Future) there's not exactly much choice.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now EDGE is a fantastic magazine, but to be honest, I find it quite hard to read. Half of the techno talk just goes way over my head. Games Tm on the other hand is more accessible - in fact it's very similar to Play magazine (looks near identical) but with a tougher scoring system & it's multiformat to boot.

When EDGE starts talking about TRAX system Volume 5 on a PNG file format for ps2 I haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good grief-2 companies...how many magazines covering exactly the same things.....
I used to buy psw,but it somehow got boring.
strange as how future bought it at that time....
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OPS2, NGC, MAX, Gamesmaster, EDGE, Xbox World, Playstation World, PSM2, PC Gamer, Xbox Gamer, Cheatzone & Advance are all made & published by Future Publishing.

Official Xbox Magazine is made by FXMI, another division of Future.

Games Tm, PSi2, Play, Xbox Magazine, Cube, Powerstation & Solutions are all pulished by Paragon/ Highbury Entertainment.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've emailed Future Publishing's management with a pretty lengthy email explaining all this - odds on me getting a reply are about 3000-1, though, I'm afraid. It's a shame that big corporations don't care about their customers, only the expending size of their Swiss bank account.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A guy who works for Microsoft writes......

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Well, since we're spilling beans, I'll just point out that nobody I know in Microsoft's European certification labs has had a sniff of this. Now, I'm not saying it didn't pass certification, just pointing out it's the only time I've seen a title like this slip under the radar in a place in which most people where looking forward to it and hence making an active effort to come in to contanct with it.
I'd jut like to stress that neither I nor any of the people I work with were responsible for certifying this heap of buggy sh*t. Thank you.

We do quite a lot of things with regards to the European releases but one of the things we do is make sure stuff like the list Decider wrote (he posted a load of videos he had made which show many hilarious Driv3r bugs in action) just doesn't happen. The thing is, I don't want to say this hasn't been certified, because it has, I mean, there's no way they could have released it otherwise. But at the same time, all the certifications for third party European releases get done in one place, and nobody I know from the office has seen this game. In fact, when I said it was coming out this week I was looked at like a mad man and told "No, you must have the date wrong, it needs certification before the duplication process can begin".

This is all very strange, and I honestly can't give an answer as to why this has happened. If a game came in like that then it would simply get shipped back to the developer with a list similar to Decider's and told to resolve those issues.

I'm no authority though, and I've probably said a lot more than I should, though I guess NDAs don't apply to titles that haven't even come through our office haha.

EDIT: I should say though, the game may have passed on a technicality. See, if the flaws are minor enough then they're not considered critical flaws and so are written up as things which Microsoft "reccomends" are changed, but that's it. I guess through some loophole Driv3r just has LOADS of these little things and as such never managed to get a critical fault which would have failed it outright


Interesting.....
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which forum was the Microsoft bloke on?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eighthours wrote:
A guy who works for Microsoft writes......

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Well, since we're spilling beans, I'll just point out that nobody I know in Microsoft's European certification labs has had a sniff of this. ect, ect, ect.


Interesting....

Nice to know Microsoft has a pretty good testing, erm, center. If it didn't go where that cuy works though, where exactly did it go then?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KKLEIN wrote:
where exactly did it go then?


A brown envelope? Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Which forum was the Microsoft bloke on?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd actually like to inform you of something else I discovered in XBW that is directly related to 'Driv3rgate' (Cool name, eh?). Having read the Galleon review, it is no better than the Driv3r one. Not one single bad point was explained. Strange, isn't it?

PS. I don't work for anyone but some old t*** in a paper shop, delivering papers.

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