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                      Kalibur Member
  
  
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                             Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:13 
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                              This thread probably brought to mind 
                              what a lot of people already believed to be 
                              true...  I used to read PSM2 when my bro got 
                              his Playstation2, and i had chose it because i had 
                              read its father, the magazine for the original 
                              Playstation almost every month...  I think most 
                              people where suspicious about it's high reviews... 
                               One of the biggest tragedies to my mind was 
                              Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons Of Liberty...10/10... I 
                              dont know how many people have played this but, it 
                              is absolutely terrible, i havent heard a person 
                              say it was more than 6/10... 
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                              these magazines are looking out for themselves. 
                              
 
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                               I laugh in the face of death, when i say 
                              laugh, i mean snigger... and not to his face more 
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                      Cal Experienced Member
  
  
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                                | There’s only a few decent 
                                magazines available today, Edge (obviously), 
                                NGC, games™, PC Gamer and erm, that’s it. The 
                                rest are absolute 
                              rubbish. |   
  Hey - 3 out of four ain't 
                              bad (NGC is the only one of those mentioned I 
                              don't get). And I don't get any other game mags - 
                              because, as Steve says, they are absolute 
                              rubbish. I hate being spoken to like I'm a 
                              lager-lout, or a tits-mad chav. I hate seeing all 
                              the creativity and idealism of games developers 
                              reduced to a few mindless, appallingly 'written' 
                              lines of nonsense. I can't stand magazines who 
                              claim to love games and gaming but spend the 
                              majority of their pages talking about anything 
                              but games, 
                              just having a laff with their mates. |    |  
                    
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                      jamiej Member
  
  
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                             Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:43 
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                            Firstly-Mgs2 
                              wasnt crap-  Secondly Atari must be stupid for 
                              asking for 2 good reviews from the same 
                              publisher,why not try a diferrent company,s' less 
                              suspiscious..... _________________ Carpe 
                              diem-seize the donut. 
  Currently playing= 
                               Ps2=Final Fantasy X-2/prince of persia 
                               Xbox=voodoo vince/full spectrum warrior 
                               Gamecube=Wind waker/metroid |    |  
                    
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                      KKLEIN Veteran Member
  
  
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                             Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:45 
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                                | jamiej 
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                                | Secondly Atari must be stupid 
                                for asking for 2 good reviews from the same 
                                publisher,why not try a diferrent company,s' 
                                less 
                              suspiscious..... |    Well seeing as there's really 
                              only 2 companies anyway (Paragon & Future) 
                              there's not exactly much 
                              choice. _________________ That's a disc drive. 
                              What's been in them you ask? Well: 
                               PS2 - Smackdown 
                              HCTP, PSM2 disc 51.  Xbox - Driv3r 
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                      KKLEIN Veteran Member
  
  
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                            Now EDGE is a 
                              fantastic magazine, but to be honest, I find it 
                              quite hard to read. Half of the techno talk just 
                              goes way over my head. Games Tm on the other hand 
                              is more accessible - in fact it's very similar to 
                              Play magazine (looks near identical) but with a 
                              tougher scoring system & it's multiformat to 
                              boot. 
  When EDGE starts talking about TRAX 
                              system Volume 5 on a PNG file format for ps2 I 
                              haven't got a clue what they're talking 
                              about. _________________ That's a disc drive. 
                              What's been in them you ask? Well: 
                               PS2 - Smackdown 
                              HCTP, PSM2 disc 51.  Xbox - Driv3r 
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                      jamiej Member
  
  
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                            Good grief-2 
                              companies...how many magazines covering exactly 
                              the same things.....  I used to buy psw,but it 
                              somehow got boring.  strange as how future 
                              bought it at that 
                              time.... _________________ Carpe diem-seize 
                              the donut. 
  Currently playing= 
                               Ps2=Final Fantasy X-2/prince of persia 
                               Xbox=voodoo vince/full spectrum warrior 
                               Gamecube=Wind waker/metroid |    |  
                    
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                      KKLEIN Veteran Member
  
  
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                            OPS2, NGC, MAX, 
                              Gamesmaster, EDGE, Xbox World, Playstation World, 
                              PSM2, PC Gamer, Xbox Gamer, Cheatzone & 
                              Advance are all made & published by Future 
                              Publishing. 
  Official Xbox Magazine is made 
                              by FXMI, another division of Future. 
  Games 
                              Tm, PSi2, Play, Xbox Magazine, Cube, Powerstation 
                              & Solutions are all pulished by Paragon/ 
                              Highbury 
                              Entertainment. _________________ That's a disc drive. 
                              What's been in them you ask? Well: 
                               PS2 - Smackdown 
                              HCTP, PSM2 disc 51.  Xbox - Driv3r 
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                      GwiDan Veteran Member
  
  
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                            | I've emailed 
                              Future Publishing's management with a pretty 
                              lengthy email explaining all this - odds on me 
                              getting a reply are about 3000-1, though, I'm 
                              afraid. It's a shame that big corporations don't 
                              care about their customers, only the expending 
                              size of their Swiss bank account. |    |  
                    
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                      Eighthours Moderator
  
 
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                             Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:27 
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                            A guy who works 
                              for Microsoft writes...... 
  
                              
                                
                                
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                                Well, since we're spilling 
                                beans, I'll just point out that nobody I know in 
                                Microsoft's European certification labs has had 
                                a sniff of this. Now, I'm not saying it didn't 
                                pass certification, just pointing out it's the 
                                only time I've seen a title like this slip under 
                                the radar in a place in which most people where 
                                looking forward to it and hence making an active 
                                effort to come in to contanct with it.  I'd 
                                jut like to stress that neither I nor any of the 
                                people I work with were responsible for 
                                certifying this heap of buggy sh*t. Thank you. 
                                
  We do quite a lot of things with regards 
                                to the European releases but one of the things 
                                we do is make sure stuff like the list Decider 
                                wrote (he 
                                posted a load of videos he had made which show 
                                many hilarious Driv3r bugs in action) 
                                just doesn't happen. The thing is, I don't want 
                                to say this hasn't been certified, because it 
                                has, I mean, there's no way they could have 
                                released it otherwise. But at the same time, all 
                                the certifications for third party European 
                                releases get done in one place, and nobody I 
                                know from the office has seen this game. In 
                                fact, when I said it was coming out this week I 
                                was looked at like a mad man and told "No, you 
                                must have the date wrong, it needs certification 
                                before the duplication process can begin". 
                                
  This is all very strange, and I honestly 
                                can't give an answer as to why this has 
                                happened. If a game came in like that then it 
                                would simply get shipped back to the developer 
                                with a list similar to Decider's and told to 
                                resolve those issues. 
  I'm no authority 
                                though, and I've probably said a lot more than I 
                                should, though I guess NDAs don't apply to 
                                titles that haven't even come through our office 
                                haha. 
  EDIT: I should say though, the 
                                game may have passed on a technicality. See, if 
                                the flaws are minor enough then they're not 
                                considered critical flaws and so are written up 
                                as things which Microsoft "reccomends" are 
                                changed, but that's it. I guess through some 
                                loophole Driv3r just has LOADS of these little 
                                things and as such never managed to get a 
                                critical fault which would have failed it 
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  Interesting..... _________________ Humiliate John Rodney Bennett 
                               Trash CompDeck  Confront Juliet  But do 
                              it quickly....you've only got eight hours to 
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                      GwiDan Veteran Member
  
  
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                      OctogenarianPussy Experienced Member
  
  
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                            Oh 
                              dear. _________________ I came here to chew 
                              ass and kick bubblegum. And I'm all out of 
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                      KKLEIN Veteran Member
  
  
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                                | Eighthours 
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                                A guy who works for Microsoft 
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                                | Well, since we're spilling 
                                beans, I'll just point out that nobody I know in 
                                Microsoft's European certification labs has had 
                                a sniff of this. ect, ect, 
                                ect. |   
  Interesting.... |    Nice to know Microsoft has a 
                              pretty good testing, erm, center. If it didn't go 
                              where that cuy works though, where exactly did it 
                              go then? _________________ That's a disc drive. 
                              What's been in them you ask? Well: 
                               PS2 - Smackdown 
                              HCTP, PSM2 disc 51.  Xbox - Driv3r 
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                      OctogenarianPussy Experienced Member
  
  
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                                | KKLEIN 
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                                | where exactly did it go 
                                then? |   
  A brown envelope?   _________________ I came here to 
                              chew ass and kick bubblegum. And I'm all out of 
                              ass. |    |  
                    
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                      Eighthours Moderator
  
 
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                                | GwiDan 
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                                | Which forum was the Microsoft 
                                bloke on? |   
  rllmuk _________________ Humiliate John Rodney Bennett 
                               Trash CompDeck  Confront Juliet  But do 
                              it quickly....you've only got eight hours to 
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                      phAnt0m 
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                            I'd actually 
                              like to inform you of something else I discovered 
                              in XBW that is directly related to 'Driv3rgate' 
                              (Cool name, eh?). Having read the Galleon review, 
                              it is no better than the Driv3r one. Not one single bad point 
                              was explained. Strange, isn't it? 
                              
  PS. I don't work for anyone but some old 
                              t*** in a paper shop, delivering papers. 
                              
  Get's me out of the conspiracy.   _________________ Join the Unnamed Forums! 
                              >click< 
  NO BASTARDS! 
  I'm 
                              ready for some MP DoomIIage if anyone wants a 
                              game.
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