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Driv3r Reviews. Were PSM2 & XBW honest? (Part II)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well no-one can be totally unbiased but the Beeb still is as impartial as they come and will no doubt lap up any story about corruption in the games press. They do love plumbing those consumer rights issues. And the summer's biggest videogame release being blatently unfinished and yet at a higher than usual RRP is a pretty big deal.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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True Vyper, but will 4river or what ever they call the next one sell if people on the whole have a bad memory of the game? I suppose the question is are consumers that shallow that a lot of glossy advertising can convince them that a game is worthy, when it isn't.....

Good point, but theres always people out there who will buy something just because its a big name, although after this I reckon they'd think very hard and wait very long before they dared to release another anyway. That is of course if they're taking any notice of what people in groups such as this are saying at all
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell the Beeb, tell watchdog, tell Sky, tell ITV. Hell e-mail the Sun, they love this sorta stuff. If they can have a main story on a boy that eats jam sandwiches they'll lap something like this up. So will Paragon for that matter – getting one over on their competitors so to speak.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its all well and good saying you'll tell someone...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apart from the one post there's not been much input from the two mags in question. Wonder why? You would of thought they would at least fight for their respective corner?

I get the impression that no matter what's uncovered within these pages or indeed outside of them those in question simply don't care which I feel is worse than the supposed crime itself.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to make another point.

Steve wrote:
There’s only a few decent magazines available today, Edge (obviously), NGC, games™, PC Gamer and erm, that’s it. The rest are absolute rubbish.


Well then, in your opinion, if these magazines are decent why are you (and so many others) still slagging them all off? So many posts on this thread are extremely generalised and offensive to a lot of writers. When you people mention Future and magazine staff you're not talking about PSM2 and XBW, you're talking about everybody. Doesn't anyone realise that?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tnman wrote:
I'd like to make another point.

Steve wrote:
There’s only a few decent magazines available today, Edge (obviously), NGC, games™, PC Gamer and erm, that’s it. The rest are absolute rubbish.


Well then, in your opinion, if these magazines are decent why are you (and so many others) still slagging them all off? So many posts on this thread are extremely generalised and offensive to a lot of writers. When you people mention Future and magazine staff you're not talking about PSM2 and XBW, you're talking about everybody. Doesn't anyone realise that?


The writers of NGC an edge and the rest are all part of the future group. Future is their publisher and the mags doesn't have any connection to each other ( they all work in the same building that's all)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I retract anything nice or positive i've ever said about Driv3r. i'm on the chase mission, after the botched meeting with the bagman dude. i've begun chasing calita, and at some random distance i fail the mission, even though i can still f**king see her! when she gets overthe bridge and i'm told to find another route, i turn around and head back, only to fail the mission because i'm too far away! this game can just f**k off. i thought it was good, but i have no idea why i'm chasing all these people (due to the vaguely bland plot) who seem to drive perfectly, even making the AI of Gran Turismo look poor and amateurish.

I apologise to anyone who had to spend the time and physical energy to diasgree with my posts about the goodness of this game. It is a cankerous floater that deserved to be flushed, along with all the other turds.

Btw, has anyone noticed that (with the exception of FSW) all the uber-hyped, utter shite games have these "preview dvds" that you get when you pre-order them (Tomb Raider AOD, True Crime, DRIV3R!!!

Now i'll go back to Ikaruga, a game that's impossibly hard because it was designed that way, rather than Driv3r, which is impossibly hard because it wasn't designed at all. Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just thought I'd throw in this quote from the spong.com forums.


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This sort of behaviour DID used to go on in the old days. While working for Future in about 1993, I was invited by Colin Campbell (now, last time I looked, publisher of Official Xbox Magazine) to review Super Space Invaders by Domark on the C64. However, the condition was that the game had to score at least (if I recall the figure correctly) 66%. Naturally I declined, because the game was abysmal. But nevertheless, the review WAS "sold", and went ahead with a score above the required minimum, written by someone else.

There were many other examples of such things being attempted, I remember Titus in particular being lavish with freebies for (I think) console versions of Lamborghini American Challenge, as long as certain scores (over 90 on that occasion, I think) were awarded. The only change is that journalists seem to have raised their prices.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sander wrote:
The writers of NGC an edge and the rest are all part of the future group. Future is their publisher and the mags doesn't have any connection to each other ( they all work in the same building that's all)

Well that's a pretty naive comment. Many of the writers write for or have written for more than one mag you realise. They contribute to all sorts.
Geraint Evans reviews for NGC and Gamesmaster (He did MK:DD for both). Marcus Hawkins the editor of NGC used to edit PSM2. They are basically one big team and so critisims do cover the whole group.
I would agree that some of the magazines vary in quality, for whatever reason, but to say that each one is completely individual is just plain wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know how many pages of Atari advertising there are in each of the magazines this month?
Although next month is likely to be the real test of what Future's official line is.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pell wrote:
Sander wrote:
The writers of NGC an edge and the rest are all part of the future group. Future is their publisher and the mags doesn't have any connection to each other ( they all work in the same building that's all)

Well that's a pretty naive comment. Many of the writers write for or have written for more than one mag you realise. They contribute to all sorts.
Geraint Evans reviews for NGC and Gamesmaster (He did MK:DD for both). Marcus Hawkins the editor of NGC used to edit PSM2. They are basically one big team and so critisims do cover the whole group.


Doesn't that scare you more though? If it happens on one magazine, what are the chances of it happening on another magazine run by the same people? Pretty high I'd say.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, because I fail to believe that the people I have had contact with would be involved in this sort of thing (ie personal bribes) in any sort of way. Plus I think that they wouldn't not want to work in an environment, in such close proximity, where their writing was effectively being censored.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While looking over the psm2 issue in question I have just one question for the staff on the mag.Why was the most junior member of staff put on such a big review?By your own admission he is not as good a writer as Nathan Irvine otherwise he would have out your PSM2 idol comp.Also Jorin reviewed games in the same issue and so surely should have reviewed it as he was the most experienced reviewer available.Afterall this was the lead review in your 50th issue so surely the best available reviewer should have been put on it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the only scenario, were something to have happened, which I could imagine:

Any "deal" would have been made at a high level ie board of directors level. If an individual were to have attempted it then they must have been pretty stupid not to have thought they would be caught. Neither writers nor editors would have the power imo to be able to co-ordinate an exclusive which involved both advertising for the magazine within the game and many adverts (eg vouchers) for Driv3r in the mag.
Future employees would not have been told, the only one(s) lower than the top few being maybe the editor and the reviewer.
Not one single individual would personally gain from this. It would be a management deal. No promotional items, free televisions or holidays for the editor and writer or any of the tripe that some people have suggested. This was done purely for the companies involved.

Let me make this clear. I am not suggesting this is what has happened. I do not want to believe that this has happened at all. What I want to make clear is that for those that have their mind set upon dodgy dealings, don't think that if so it was individuals pawning the system for personal gain.
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