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Pell · Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:06 pm Post subject:

This thread is so amusing.

Right, 1st off I want to state that I have not played Driv3r yet (though have played through the previous 2 and Stuntman). Also I am standing on the fence for my conclusion. I support neither the magazines nor the hoard of angry villagers with torches outside Future Publishing HQ. I want this to be clear.

Okay 1st off, everyone is taking this FAR to serious. Edge game Mario Kart: DD a 5. Some people agreed, many didn't. Were we supposed to boycott Edge? No.
Before you even say anything I'm not naive, this is different- there a game was slagged off, and here a (possibly) bad game was given much praise. So does that mean NGC and Gamesmaster took bribes to give the (MK:DD) game over 90%? Personally I love MK:DD, but felt it was more deserving of the 5 from Edge than 90%+ from NGC and Gamesmaster. No, it was never mentioned that this was the case.

Right, now I know you all love to lay into Driver 2 and Stuntman. Yes there were many glitches (more so in Driver 2) and glaring faults. HOWEVER, I loved the games. They were fun to play. So what if it glitched a few times? It's very annoying I know, but before you say that the game should be marked down to 3/10 or something ridiculous for that is ludicrous. I cannot count the times when Metroid Prime, SSBM, GTA3, GTA Vice City and many more have crashed and I've had to restart as a result. I'm not defending Driv3r because I haven't played it to judge for myself, but it's ludicrous to criticise this game for faults which plenty other loved games have.

In my opinion, Driv3r is not being judged as just a game, it's being judged on the basis of all the hype, on the fact that there have been so many previews of it saying that it's looking poor... The truth is many wanted it to fail. They expected it because this is what we've been told by one persons opinion from early preview codes. These opinions have stuck and so everyone is going overboard.

Okay, the glitches: So what? Some may be disruptive to play and I'm not saying they can be ignored. But why the hell are people getting up in arms about a collision with a lampost. So what? Do you all really believe that they just fall over and bounce down the street ala GTA? Where the hell is peoples rationality with slating Driv3rs physics engine yet nit mentioning GTAs? Burnout 2 was chock full of similar glitches. I could happily make hours and hours of footage showing cars getting crushed against invisible walls in the middle of a clear road. OMG! Give Burnout 2 a 3!!! Rolling Eyes

I managed a ludicrously high Crash mode score for ITB by exploiting such glitches, so that tankers and buses compacted and flew into the air for about 10 seconds spinning at God knows how many RPM. Yet Driv3r is a bad game for similar faults and Burnout 2 is not?

As for the magazines. Driv3r sounds nowehere near a 9 from what I've read. All the evidence points to something strange. Of that there is no doubt (the pointing that is, not that there's bribery going on or anything). But people please think. 3 out of 10 you want? That makes it almost on par with games such as Beyblade-virtually unplayable. Again I cannot justify until I actually play but it look like fun, I thought Driver 2 was despite cries from many about it being unfinished.

Reviewing unfinished code. Well, I think that if the magazines reviewed the actual release copy then many games would be out the month before the reviews, something very annoying I'm sure this you'll agree. But to believe that the bugs from an unfinished code so near to completion will be ironed out is also stupid. People are paid a lot of money to promote such items. They can make almost anything sound good-hell I'm sure that by believing PR guys most people would be salivating over an Army Men game instead of realising the tripe that it really is.

Most people here are hardcore gamers. You like your Edge or your Games TM. You think Gamesmaster is for children or whatever. DIfferent magazines cater for different people. I would say more 'casual gamers' buy PSM2 and XBW. These magazines cater for these people. Just because you cannot like a game for it's faults does that mean everybody else can't too? My cousin hasn't a clue about games, he'd buy the most obscure and terrible games because they 'looked good', but it's for people like this (but not soley) that some magazines are geared. He loves GTA3 and VC, they're his favourite games. But another is Driver 2. If he were to play Driv3r I'm sure he'd love that too.
My point being that although you feel it doesn't deserve a high score, many many people will believe it does.

So what does this come down to? People want heads to roll at Future? Over what? 2 dodgy reviews. Now that is stupid. Reviews are opinions of individuals, that much has always been clear. Now I totally agree that if what I've read is true then some of these reviews are misleading. The truth is this happens in every magazine. I'm not sure what points I've made here, and I know I've missed a load out atm which I'll rectify tomorrow, but as a neutral on this arguement please take time to step back and realise you are going way too far with this witch-hunt.
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concon777 · Member Joined: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 172

I have not played it yet but could someone tell me are the glitches as bad as streets of LA? In that game i was driving up a hill full of grass and suddenly the ground beneath me disappeared and suddenly i was falling downwards for eternity. That had hype but just because this is THE summer hit, people are thrashing it as it didn't live up to the expectatons of 90%+. If they took more time to cure these glitches however bad they are, we would have a delayed release over and over again, then this game would be the Tomb raider of last year. And i also dont see twins on streets as a bad thing, in GTA VC, there are tons of skaters near the beach who all look identical, i had at least 5 on the screen at he one time.
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bear · Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:20 pm Post subject:

Pell I think you are missing the point slightly.People are not taking issue with the scores that were given more the fact it appears that (and seems ever more likely) that both of these magazines were offered incentives of a type in order for driv3r to obtain good scores.Its not about opinion its about the principle that consumers who pay £4+ for a magazine in order to get information about games and have faith in review scores are being quite clearly shafted and wasting £45 on a sub-standard product.
Also I see OPSM2 have sold out for GTA again...

Pell · Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:44 pm Post subject:

Which brings me back to the whole MK:DD fiasco and also the fact that PSM2 and XBW are catered for different people. Otherwise Future wouldn't plublish so many games magazines in direct competition with each other.
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Pell · Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:57 pm Post subject:

Of that there's no doubt. But what's to say NGC and Gamesmaster weren't for their 94% or whatever it was?
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jamiej · Member Joined: 19 May 2004 Posts: 288

Just like Gamecentral-EDGE were being honest.
Unlike GamesTM's anti ps2 bollocks
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Pell · Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:59 pm Post subject:

Hey guys this CANNOT slide into an Edge vs Games TM slagging match or anything! The whole MK:DD scenario was used to highlights shortcomings in the criticisms leveled at XBW and PSM2.
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jamiej · Member Joined: 19 May 2004 Posts: 288

Dont worry-i like Edge and Gamestm.
Im just making comparrisons.
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jamiej · Member Joined: 19 May 2004 Posts: 288

I see Gamecentral didnt have its Editors bitching today-Just wait for the feature on saturday,It does have more bitchy letters though,and i think one sticking up for Driv3r.
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SillySprout · Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:20 am Post subject:

I never released we had so many sleepers on this forum working in the industry, waiting for their moment to pounce and reveal the dark under tones of the industry. Very Happy

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Eighthours · Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:44 am Post subject:

Reviews update: Eurogamer gives Driv3r a stunning 3/10.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=55870

Good review. Oooooh, they hated it!!! They even make reference to the reviews controversy.......the Reflections people had better hide themselves in a nuclear bunker, can't wait for the EDGE review!!! Cool

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