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| Pell if you would care to
remeber the fact psm2 claimed their review was
based on finished code maybe you could
understand why people are getting so worked up
over this. | I wan't aware of the fact that they
stated it was finished. If they didn't say it was
unfinished then fair enough, but I would say it
was wrong to review an unfinished code whilst
stating it was complete.
However, the XBW
editor said the PS2 version was finished, only the
XBox version which wasn't, so we don't actually
know for sure what state the PS2 code was
in.
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Well Pell,
isn't that basically ALL Atari's fault (referring
to your long post above) for hyping the game to
high heaven and not
delivering??
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With regards to mario kart DD..
I'll say it again.. and stick up for merian
(soz, if i spelt that wrong).A review is an
opinion, and opinion can never be wrong as it's
not factual.
.. In other words.. I hate
metroid prime, although most people disagree
with me.. I would give it 4 out of 10.. Im not
wrong in saying this, this is my personal
thoughts. To get the most out of a review, you
read the words and dont just look at the score..
If you read my whole page review and felt you
could live with the things i've slated then you
could disagree with my final score and go out
and buy it..Now I have less a problem with
magazines giving low scores when they deserve
more than vice versa.. as if it happens the
other way around i end up buying a game i dont
like.But this ISNT the reviewers fault.Just
because one magazine gives a game 1/10 and
another 9/10 doesnt mean one is wrong and the
other is right.. its.. an..
op..in..i..on... |
That's not the point. If XBW
& PSM2 enjoyed it fair enough, but both
magazines didn't tell us about any of the faults,
both magazines made the game seem almost
faultless. The only thing PSM2 said was, & I
quote:
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| Minor pop-up, robotic
pedestrians, the odd clipped animation frame -
but that's the price of
ambition |
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| Tanner can escape the confines
of his clunker & scurry around outside.
Unfortunately, this is the weakest part of the
game, BUT it is completely
competent. Let's not get carried away, the on foot sections
work. They're all
there. |
Reading that I wouldn't of had
a clue. That is all they said. Reading that the
game does actually sound like an 8 or a 9/10 game.
We of course, along with lots of other people that
paid £45 for the game, know different.
It's out of
order.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 3:41
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| Eighthours
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| Well Pell, isn't that basically
ALL Atari's fault (referring to your long post
above) for hyping the game to high heaven and
not delivering?? |
Who's to say it isn't? But
their faliure to deliver what was originally
intended shouldn' detract from what the finished
product actually is.
Remember Red Faction?
We were promised that everything was destructable,
that there would be all sorts of rivers and pipes
and we could redirect the water flow. Well in the
end we couldn't. However, these things happen over
development. Things change. Just because the
finished product wasn't what was originally
promised doesn't mean that it should be judged on
the basis of the original ideas. Instead it should
be about what it ends up as.
Yes, Atari
created hype. Why wouldn't they? It was damn good
promotion and by the looks of sales it's worked.
However, it should certainly be addressed in
reviews how a game compares to it's hype. But that
shouldn't count against the game itself when it
comes to be judged.
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| Eighthours
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You will NEVER see
Empire or Total Film posting a review of an
unfinished film. End of.
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Reason : Movies are
finished a fair few months before hitting these
shores.. can gaurantee they wont be reviewing the
uk release. What if it gets to these shores and is
censored to buggery leaving a 10 minute film...
but said magazines have been written 3 months
previously and say it's excellent.. could
happen... it wont.. but it's a theoretical
example.
There has been a fair few
recorded situations where movies reviewers have
reviewed a film before the final cut... more so in
america... but only so their magaizne has it
reviewed on the month the film is released.
Taking into account that magazines HAVE to
be made months before they hit the shops.. what
would you suggest they do? wait for game to be
released then review it? You'll be waiting a while
for a review...
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| Yeah but code
is ready a long time before it reaches the shops.
If anything, the lead time for getting gold code
reproduced on a huge scale and distrubted around
the continent is longer than a magazine lead-time
timescale (which in my day was about 4-5 weeks,
not this 3 month rubbish), so, essentially, that
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| than a magazine lead-time
timescale (which in my day was about 4-5 weeks,
not this 3 month rubbish), so, essentially, that
argument holds no
weight. |
3 month thing is me pulling
figures out of the air.. I know it's a long time..
and deffo longer than a month.
oh i cant
be arsed with this discussion.. it's taking too
long to type all these long
replies..
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 4:00
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What magazine
does Kieron Gillen work for again, is it PC
Gamer?
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 4:01
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What if it gets to these shores
and is censored to buggery leaving a 10 minute
film... but said magazines have been written 3
months previously and say it's excellent.. could
happen... it wont.. but it's a theoretical
example.
There has been a fair few
recorded situations where movies reviewers have
reviewed a film before the final cut... more so
in america... but only so their magaizne has it
reviewed on the month the film is released.
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The mags I've mentioned
categorically only review a final cut.
And
thankfully, the days of censoring movies nastily
before they reach our shores are
over.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 4:05
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| What magazine does Kieron Gillen
work for again, is it PC
Gamer? |
Yes. He's even said that
he's never had this kind of situation crop up,
because nobody gives a s*it about PC games! The
legend!!
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| What magazine does Kieron Gillen
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Gamer? |
I think he works primarily for
PC Gamer but contributes to a number of Future
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 4:17
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| Jonny_Darko
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| than a magazine lead-time
timescale (which in my day was about 4-5 weeks,
not this 3 month rubbish), so, essentially, that
argument holds no
weight. |
3 month thing is me
pulling figures out of the air.. I know it's a
long time.. and deffo longer than a month.
oh i cant be arsed with this
discussion.. it's taking too long to type all
these long
replies.. |
I work in the magazine
industry and in my experience a monthly title is
finished 2 WEEKS before it hits the shops.
AND it is possible for sections of the mag
to be given to the printers later still. Maybe
only 10 days before it hits the shops. Maybe PSM2
and XBW did this to allow the wait for finished
code?
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This is totally
on-topic - read it through and you'll see why.
Latest UK
Sales Charts - Week Ending June 19
The UK
has a new number one this week, but not thanks to
any of the new entries that have appeared in the
sales chart. Instead Splinter Cell: Pandora
Tomorrow has seen sales increase by 34% - enough
to knock Harry Potter from the top slot.
The highest new entry is Shrek 2 at number
five, which is fairly low for such a big license
but likely to be boosted by the film’s imminent
release in UK cinemas. DRIV3R shouldn’t be out
yet, but after numerous stores ignored the game’s
official release date of this Friday it
nevertheless managed to make it to number six.
Atari are unlikely to be happy at this
turn of events though as the game has been getting
extremely negative reviews in the press and poor
world of mouth from anyone buying the game before
Friday could severely impact on the game’s
success.
From: http://www.gamasutra.com/
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| Well my
experience was seven years ago AND at a smaller
company than Future that prolly had a crappier
printers, so yeah 2 weeks is probably
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 4:22
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And I thought
Nell (McAndrew...sorry) was going to come back on
here today to give his 'hands on' opinion on the
game?
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