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Pug Fugly Experienced Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Stephen wrote: |
Sorry - but anyone giving that particular game a nine ( and possibly parting anyone from their hard-earned cash) is a prick. |
If you don't get banned for this, you're a lucky man. |
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Pug Fugly Experienced Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Cal wrote: |
GR proves it's worth on this one issue alone - you wanna hear the truth about a game, hear it from real players, with real experiences of the game. |
With real alterior motives, and real irrational hatred.. |
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Eighthours Moderator
Joined: 23 Oct 2003 Posts: 6604 Location: Certainty
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Pug Fugly wrote: |
Cal wrote: |
GR proves it's worth on this one issue alone - you wanna hear the truth about a game, hear it from real players, with real experiences of the game. |
With real alterior motives, and real irrational hatred.. |
In the GR world, as in the world of mags, films, music and such-like, you just have to separate the wheat from the chaff! There is wisdom on these forums if you look for it! _________________ Humiliate John Rodney Bennett
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HailToTheKingBaby! Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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I can understand that they reviewed unfinished code in order to get the exclusive, but I would've expected them to have mentioned this fact along with the bugs in the review and the fact that Atari had promised to iron them out in the released version - a small paragraph would have done the job and at least then, people could place the blame with Atari for misleading the magazine rather than with the magazine for misleading its readers as is seemingly the case at the moment. _________________ www.silver-sun.co.uk - Best.. band.. ever..! |
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John Square Experienced Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Thanatos there: I dodn't think that Nellis deserved a comment like that after being big enough to justify (which he isn't obliged to do) a review score in his magazine.
I'm certain that he acted aboveboard (in the sense that no blatant bribes were passed) but there is a very cozy (by dint of necessity?) relationship between magazines-esp. official ones- and PR companies and the suchlike.
However, 9/10 for a game that has attracted such damning criticism seems like a major slip of judgement, however, and -whilst I wouldn't phrase my feeelings in the same way as Stephen and KKLEIN- certain magazines have really let their readers down on this score. Your readers do see your magazine as a way of deciding where to spend their hard earned cash, or (for your younger readers) what to ask for for their birthdays.
Little Johnny would have been very very upset if he'd been gifted Medal of Honour: RS instead of something more worthwhile for his big day, based on a review that seems to have been a pile of mouldy dog logs.
How to fix it though, Mr Ellis?
I think Phantom Burn hit the nail on the head- perhaps with a subsequent re-evaluation of the review score. It'd definitely get a bit more of a community going for your publication. I may even buy a copy myself.
But a sincere thanks for giving your side of the stpry. Even if we don't agree with what we hear, it's a nice change. |
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Pug Fugly Experienced Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Eighthours wrote: |
In the GR world, as in the world of mags, films, music and such-like, you just have to separate the wheat from the chaff! There is wisdom on these forums if you look for it! |
I know that.... I use this forum as my primary source for opinions myself. Of course, if invincible & Solo told me a game was awesome, I'd seek out a few more opinions |
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Stephen Member
Joined: 25 Dec 2003 Posts: 156 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, just feeling a little salty. Steve's initial questions are right. It really annoys me when people pay over the odds for a payed-for pamphlet that sells itself as a magazine. Any mag that gives something like MOH RS a nine should be flamed. Sorry. |
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OctogenarianPussy Experienced Member
Joined: 19 Sep 2003 Posts: 649 Location: Retard Proof Clothing - Available now
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Nick,
Thanks for putting across your side of the story.
But just stand back for one moment and consider how it looks. You have an exclusive review, your reputation (and endorsement) on the box and a glowing review inside of your magazine. At best it makes you look foolish for loving a game that is so obviously broken in so many places that your objectivity comes into question. At worst it makes it look like you've colluded with the publisher. Either way the situation isn't good is it?
The questions behind the murky morality of these issues can never really be separated. But when things like this happen you must at least question the process. Is reviewing unfinished code the right thing to do? No it isn't is it? Because now you've been burned. And rightly so. It's a bloody mess. _________________ I came here to chew ass and kick bubblegum. And I'm all out of ass. |
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the one and only Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Pug Fugly wrote: |
Stephen wrote: |
Sorry - but anyone giving that particular game a nine ( and possibly parting anyone from their hard-earned cash) is a prick. |
If you don't get banned for this, you're a lucky man. |
Banned for telling the truth. What a feeling that must be. _________________ Behind you, boo!
...oh, wrong box.
Xbox Live gamertag: Extreme Ironing |
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Cal Experienced Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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the one and only wrote: |
Pug Fugly wrote: |
Stephen wrote: |
Sorry - but anyone giving that particular game a nine ( and possibly parting anyone from their hard-earned cash) is a prick. |
If you don't get banned for this, you're a lucky man. |
Banned for telling the truth. What a feeling that must be. |
Pug's feeling a bit punchy this afternoon. He'll settle down. |
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Stephen Member
Joined: 25 Dec 2003 Posts: 156 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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the one and only wrote: |
Pug Fugly wrote: |
Stephen wrote: |
Sorry - but anyone giving that particular game a nine ( and possibly parting anyone from their hard-earned cash) is a prick. |
If you don't get banned for this, you're a lucky man. |
Banned for telling the truth. What a feeling that must be. |
If it happens, Cheers (and PM me for any stuff you want from Japan) |
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GwiDan Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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KKLEIN wrote: |
How in the hell can you review unfinished code, it's giving totally the wrong impression to the reader. |
To be fair, while you may sound harsh, you're completely right. If a magazine reviews a "review copy" then surely us consumers have a right [morally or otherwise] to buy that review copy, or the magazine must withdraw their review as inaccurate and irrelevant. Whatever you may think of magazines like Edge, they don't go after "exclusives", so their reviews are unlikely to be of incomplete code. With them, you're more likely to get a marked-down score than up - which is actually better. |
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Pug Fugly Experienced Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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the one and only wrote: |
Pug Fugly wrote: |
Stephen wrote: |
Sorry - but anyone giving that particular game a nine ( and possibly parting anyone from their hard-earned cash) is a prick. |
If you don't get banned for this, you're a lucky man. |
Banned for telling the truth. What a feeling that must be. |
Well, I've seen people banned for less around here. After all, the guy didn't have to come on here, and probably won't again if this is the reception he gets (some trumped up hardcore gamer calling him a prick).
Whatever, I'm just grateful we'd have a reply.... saying that though, whatever actually did happen, his reply would read the same anyway. He's hardly likely to come on here and say "Yes, you were all right, they slipped me a crisp £20 note to give it a good mark - it's shite really"... |
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KKLEIN Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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An in-depth preview would of sufficed. Reading your review the reader is lead to believe the game is great, which it's not. The reader is led to believe the game was finished, which it wasn't. The reader was lead to believe the game was near perfect, which it isn't. It's just plain dishonesty.
The same applies to the Medal of Honor review. Again none of the faults were mentioned. Reading that review in OPS2 (which I have) I was lead to believe the game was fantastic, which once again couldn't be further from the truth. It's just not on.
What you just said also clashes with something Tim Clark said on the Playstation Forums a while ago, he said they don’t review, exclusive or not, unfinished code. Abother thing, all gaming magazines under the Future publishing roof seem to slag each other off yet you all work in the same building, & even contribute to each, if not most, of the magazines. Fake rivalry? Bit sad isn’t it… _________________ That's a disc drive. What's been in them you ask? Well:
PS2 - Smackdown HCTP, PSM2 disc 51.
Xbox - Driv3r |
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Eighthours Moderator
Joined: 23 Oct 2003 Posts: 6604 Location: Certainty
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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By the way, anyone remember this?
psm2, on this very forum on Tuesday June 8 wrote: |
Hello there,
PSM2 here. Respect to all forum men. We love your work.
Some facts:
The Driv3r code was and is finished.
The score was a group descision (as are all our review marks).
We liked it (and the things we didn't like are ripped apart in the review).
Thanks,
PSM2. |
Can we sue?
AND.....the contribution from Mr Ellis makes it clear that Atari told the guys at Xbox World that their review copy wasn't final code.
I'm quite disturbed that someone came on here a couple of weeks ago from PSM2 and told us a blatant lie. _________________ Humiliate John Rodney Bennett
Trash CompDeck
Confront Juliet
But do it quickly....you've only got eight hours to live
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