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Miriam_NGC
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, = 2004 2:04=20 pm = Post=20 subject:

Cal=20 wrote:

Miriam_NGC=20 wrote:

In fact, last = Christmas a big=20 games company sent very expensive gifts = to a lot=20 of the reviewers here, and every single = on of=20 them was sent back, in line with company = policy=20 about not taking gifts, noy accepting = corporate=20 hospitality worth over a certain amount = and so=20 on.

Hmmm, except = that I know=20 someone who was working as an Assistant = Editor=20 on one of Future's Carp fishing = magazines and=20 I've seen with my own eyes the small = back room=20 at his home stuffed = full=20 of goodies he was sent by manufacturers = getting=20 reviews, etc, in the magazine. In his = own words=20 he 'hasn't bought any new kit for = years'.=20 Doesn't sit well with Future's 'company = policy',=20 does it? 3DShocked=20

Given that we = don't HAVE a=20 carp fishing magazine (or indeed any other = osrt of=20 fishing magazine), I'd say you're thinking = of=20 another company entirely.

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Posted: Wed Jun 23, = 2004 2:04=20 pm = Post=20 subject:

No it = isn't=20 lying to their readers, KKlein. = They're=20 NGC, and talking about Mario Kart: = DD.

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Posted: Wed Jun 23, = 2004 2:06=20 pm = Post=20 subject:

KKLEIN=20 wrote:

Miriam_NGC=20 wrote:

But it's not lying to = our=20 readers.

Reviewing = unfinished code=20 & not telling anyone about it is = lying to=20 your readers. Reviewing Driv3r & not = mentioning any of the games faults is = lying to=20 your readers. XBW & PSM2 lied to its = readers, its as simple as that. Future=20 Publishing promised honest buying = advice. This=20 wasn't - it was a load of old bollocks.=20

Read Gamespot. Read IGN. Read = Eurogamer.=20 Everything they bring up is not = mentioned, in=20 any detail, in those magazines.=20 = Why?

I was referring = back to the=20 comment about our Mario Kart review, hence = the=20 fact that I said we weren't lying to our = readers.=20 I can't speak for other magazines, I don't = work on=20 them.

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Posted: Wed Jun 23, = 2004 2:06=20 pm = Post=20 subject:

Matthew=20 wrote:

No it isn't lying to = their=20 readers, KKlein.

They're NGC, = and=20 talking about Mario Kart:=20 DD.

I know. Same company = though.=20 Same rules apply to everyone, I would=20 imagine.
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PS2 - = Smackdown=20 HCTP, PSM2 disc 51.
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, = 2004 2:06=20 pm = Post=20 subject:

Eighthours=20 wrote:

Anyone who says they = didn't have=20 loads of fun in multiplayer hasn't got = very good=20 mates! =

Showing off = because you=20 have friends, eh? Granted, it's quite a = rarity=20 amongst posers on this board.... =

As for reviewing = unfinished code=20 - does this kind of thing happen=20 regularly?

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simon71
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, = 2004 2:08=20 pm = Post=20 subject:

I = think that=20 we're getting slightly off topic by = discussing the=20 various merits of MK:DD. Driver 3 = is=20 another matter of course. From the = deputy=20 editor of Xbox World's own evidence on = this forum,=20 I think it would be fair, at the very = least, to=20 lay an accusation of unproffesionalism and = naivite=20 at their door. But perhaps that's = all they=20 are guilty of?

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Posted: Wed Jun 23, = 2004 2:09=20 pm = Post=20 subject:

The = whole MK:DD=20 thing was illustrative purpose by me to = show that=20 it's not right to accuse some people of = bribery=20 when in other instances high scores are = given=20 without anyone complaining. There is a = fundamental=20 flaw in your arguements that mean you fail = to see=20 the bigger picture. You criticise PSM2 and = XBW=20 whilst never even thinking about other = instances=20 with different magazines. Why should this = be any=20 different? Also back to the glitching. = So many=20 people complain that it is unrealistic. = That=20 bouncing off lamposts and wrecking your = car is=20 stupid. Okay it can be frustrating. But if = Driv3r=20 was going for a realistic apprach then why = the=20 heck do you complain? That's far more = likely to=20 happen in real life (ie mass damage) than = scenery=20 bouncing down the road and you driving = away=20 unscathed ala GTA. Whlie we're at it lets = all post=20 lists of glitches and faults with GTA and = compare=20 shall we? There are LOADS in the Rockstar = games,=20 yet they are hailed as some of the = greatest games=20 of all time. Maybe they don't interfere = with the=20 gameplay as much as Driv3r, but why is it=20 reasonable to expect reviews not to = mention this=20 fact about GTA yet you want them to hammer = Driv3r=20 for the same thing? The inconsistencies = aren't in=20 the reviews, but in your=20 expectations. _________________ And = now...=20 Witness the destructive power of these = armed and=20 fully operational gaming leagues! The=20 Ultimate Gaming Quiz: Round=20 2

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Posted: Wed Jun 23, = 2004 2:11=20 pm = Post=20 subject:

Miriam,=20 I'd point you to my post on page = fifteen.=20 Whether or not you like MKDD is = subjective. A lot=20 of people did. Some people didn't. For = many=20 varying reasons. None of those reasons = were sloppy=20 game-destroying pop up, glitchy flying = karts,=20 poorly executed on foot sections (making = up a=20 whopping quarter of the game) or bad AI.=20 Driver3 is an unfinished mess. The = fact=20 that it scored a 9 in XBW stinks to high = heaven.=20 The fact they reviewed an unfinished game = on the=20 promise of it being fixed for release is=20 inexcusable. _________________ I = came here=20 to chew ass and kick bubblegum. And I'm = all out of=20 ass.

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Posted: Wed Jun 23, = 2004 2:12=20 pm = Post=20 subject:

But = Edge's=20 Review was a one off compared to all the = other=20 Reviews i read. And come on it's = Nintendo=20 - Has their game making ever come to = question.=20 Don't=20 mention Doshin Don't mention=20 Doshin _________________ Less = spilling - more killing!

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Posted: Wed Jun 23, = 2004 2:13=20 pm = Post=20 subject: