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David Torrance
@davidtorrance
Recently described as a 'Scottish urban hipster in London' - political journalist, broadcaster and contemporary historian (& biographer of Alex Salmond)
London · http://www.davidtorrance.com
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@davidtorrance My interpretation of what you said respectfully differs. But then, I'm a paranoid deranged maniac. -
@WingsScotland not embarrassed to have written blog based on a misrep'ion of my argument & undermined it with puerile language & use of pix? -
@davidtorrance But, y'know, shall I start scouring your work for things I consider inaccurate or misrepresentation? -
@WingsScotland yes, and I'll fess up when they (genuinely) are inaccurate or misleading, something you seem incapable of doing. -
@davidtorrance What Salmond actually said in that interview was "Yes, [+qualifier]". You've ignored the qualifier and called him a liar.
@WingsScotland pretty feeble. And I called no one a 'liar' - that's the sort of word people like you use.-
@davidtorrance You said that he said yes but meant no. What would that be but a lie? -
@davidtorrance In the same piece, you talked of "the political pooper-scooper" and "cleaning up First Ministerial mess". Not puerile? -
@davidtorrance Or is it humour when you do it, but puerile when you're at the other end? -
@davidtorrance "Desperate not to be labelled a “cutter” Salmond presented a reduction in further education college funding as a modest rise" -
@davidtorrance A clear implication that he did it deliberately, rather than reading figures provided in error in good faith.
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@davidtorrance My interpretation of what you said respectfully differs. But then, I'm a paranoid deranged maniac. -
@WingsScotland not embarrassed to have written blog based on a misrep'ion of my argument & undermined it with puerile language & use of pix? -
@davidtorrance But, y'know, shall I start scouring your work for things I consider inaccurate or misrepresentation? -
@WingsScotland yes, and I'll fess up when they (genuinely) are inaccurate or misleading, something you seem incapable of doing. -
@davidtorrance "... on an independent Scotland’s membership of the EU." http://www.thinkscotland.org/todays-thinking/articles.html?read_full=11779&article=www.thinkscotland.org …
@WingsScotland and that's inaccurate how?-
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@davidtorrance Which part would that be? -
@WingsScotland I never disputed that more yes than no votes in the#indyref wouldn't constitute a majority.I was talking about opinion polls -
@davidtorrance My interpretation of what you said respectfully differs. But then, I'm a paranoid deranged maniac. -
@WingsScotland not embarrassed to have written blog based on a misrep'ion of my argument & undermined it with puerile language & use of pix? -
@davidtorrance But, y'know, shall I start scouring your work for things I consider inaccurate or misrepresentation?
@WingsScotland yes, and I'll fess up when they (genuinely) are inaccurate or misleading, something you seem incapable of doing.-
@davidtorrance Okay then, but we could be here a while. -
@davidtorrance Let's start with "Before that he replied “yes” (apparently meaning “no”) when asked if he’d sought legal advice..." -
@davidtorrance "... on an independent Scotland’s membership of the EU." http://www.thinkscotland.org/todays-thinking/articles.html?read_full=11779&article=www.thinkscotland.org … -
@davidtorrance And clearly I'm not - I've added your refutation, while retaining it as my personal impression. -
@davidtorrance What Salmond actually said in that interview was "Yes, [+qualifier]". You've ignored the qualifier and called him a liar.
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@davidtorrance And just by the by, I've added a footnote to the article noting that you object to the description "Tory". Fair-minded, me. -
@WingsScotland you could also correct the part of the blog which claims I said something I didn't. And remove the irrelevant picture. -
@davidtorrance Which part would that be? -
@WingsScotland I never disputed that more yes than no votes in the#indyref wouldn't constitute a majority.I was talking about opinion polls -
@davidtorrance My interpretation of what you said respectfully differs. But then, I'm a paranoid deranged maniac.
@WingsScotland not embarrassed to have written blog based on a misrep'ion of my argument & undermined it with puerile language & use of pix?-
@davidtorrance Still waiting to hear what the "puerile" or "pejorative" language was, or why you want a picture you like removed. -
@davidtorrance But, y'know, shall I start scouring your work for things I consider inaccurate or misrepresentation? -
@davidtorrance Or would that be the action of a tiresome obsessive? -
@WingsScotland yes, and I'll fess up when they (genuinely) are inaccurate or misleading, something you seem incapable of doing. -
@davidtorrance Okay then, but we could be here a while.
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@davidtorrance And just by the by, I've added a footnote to the article noting that you object to the description "Tory". Fair-minded, me. -
@WingsScotland you could also correct the part of the blog which claims I said something I didn't. And remove the irrelevant picture. -
@davidtorrance Which part would that be? -
@WingsScotland I never disputed that more yes than no votes in the#indyref wouldn't constitute a majority.I was talking about opinion polls -
@davidtorrance My interpretation of what you said respectfully differs. But then, I'm a paranoid deranged maniac.
@WingsScotland it's not a matter of interpretation, it's about what I did & did not say. And you consider your blog responsible & accurate?-
@davidtorrance That assertion rests on a non-definitive interpretation of the word "majority". As far as I'm concerned, a poll showing... -
@davidtorrance ...more Yes votes than No votes in a referendum with only two choices is a majority. -
@davidtorrance Your alternative view is also legitimate, but somewhat hairsplitty.
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@davidtorrance But mostly disappointed that you're sticking to your absurd line that most votes in a 2-choice referendum isn't a majority. -
@WingsScotland when did I say that? I was only ever talking about polling - you've erroneously conflated the two. -
@davidtorrance And just by the by, I've added a footnote to the article noting that you object to the description "Tory". Fair-minded, me. -
@WingsScotland you could also correct the part of the blog which claims I said something I didn't. And remove the irrelevant picture. -
@davidtorrance Which part would that be?
@WingsScotland I never disputed that more yes than no votes in the#indyref wouldn't constitute a majority.I was talking about opinion polls-
@davidtorrance My interpretation of what you said respectfully differs. But then, I'm a paranoid deranged maniac. -
@WingsScotland it's not a matter of interpretation, it's about what I did & did not say. And you consider your blog responsible & accurate? -
@davidtorrance That assertion rests on a non-definitive interpretation of the word "majority". As far as I'm concerned, a poll showing... -
@davidtorrance ...more Yes votes than No votes in a referendum with only two choices is a majority. -
@WingsScotland not embarrassed to have written blog based on a misrep'ion of my argument & undermined it with puerile language & use of pix?
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@davidtorrance The blog was about you and it's a picture of you. That's a connection. I like having a picture in a post. -
@WingsScotland that's an incredibly feeble argument but then, as I said, you're a little bit nuts. I've tried to reblock u but can't. G'nite -
@davidtorrance But mostly disappointed that you're sticking to your absurd line that most votes in a 2-choice referendum isn't a majority. -
@WingsScotland when did I say that? I was only ever talking about polling - you've erroneously conflated the two. -
@davidtorrance And just by the by, I've added a footnote to the article noting that you object to the description "Tory". Fair-minded, me.
@WingsScotland you could also correct the part of the blog which claims I said something I didn't. And remove the irrelevant picture.-
@davidtorrance Which part would that be? -
@WingsScotland I never disputed that more yes than no votes in the#indyref wouldn't constitute a majority.I was talking about opinion polls -
@davidtorrance My interpretation of what you said respectfully differs. But then, I'm a paranoid deranged maniac. -
@WingsScotland it's not a matter of interpretation, it's about what I did & did not say. And you consider your blog responsible & accurate? -
@davidtorrance That assertion rests on a non-definitive interpretation of the word "majority". As far as I'm concerned, a poll showing...
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@davidtorrance The blog was about you and it's a picture of you. That's a connection. I like having a picture in a post. -
@WingsScotland that's an incredibly feeble argument but then, as I said, you're a little bit nuts. I've tried to reblock u but can't. G'nite -
@davidtorrance But mostly disappointed that you're sticking to your absurd line that most votes in a 2-choice referendum isn't a majority. -
@WingsScotland when did I say that? I was only ever talking about polling - you've erroneously conflated the two. -
@davidtorrance Define "erroneously". As there will be no Don't Knows, the polls show which side will win, and therefore have the majority.
@WingsScotland I didn't assert what you just claimed I did; I was only ever talking about Indy polling, not the#indyref itself. Sigh.-
@davidtorrance@WingsScotland Polling is about the#indyref so you can't just disconnect the two.
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@davidtorrance The blog was about you and it's a picture of you. That's a connection. I like having a picture in a post. -
@WingsScotland that's an incredibly feeble argument but then, as I said, you're a little bit nuts. I've tried to reblock u but can't. G'nite -
@davidtorrance But mostly disappointed that you're sticking to your absurd line that most votes in a 2-choice referendum isn't a majority.
@WingsScotland when did I say that? I was only ever talking about polling - you've erroneously conflated the two.-
@davidtorrance Define "erroneously". As there will be no Don't Knows, the polls show which side will win, and therefore have the majority. -
@davidtorrance And just by the by, I've added a footnote to the article noting that you object to the description "Tory". Fair-minded, me. -
@davidtorrance Even to people hurling abuse at me with piqued abandon. -
@WingsScotland I didn't assert what you just claimed I did; I was only ever talking about Indy polling, not the#indyref itself. Sigh. -
@WingsScotland you could also correct the part of the blog which claims I said something I didn't. And remove the irrelevant picture.
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@davidtorrance The blog was about you and it's a picture of you. That's a connection. I like having a picture in a post.
@WingsScotland that's an incredibly feeble argument but then, as I said, you're a little bit nuts. I've tried to reblock u but can't. G'nite-
@davidtorrance Having a picture of the subject of an article is a "feeble" justification? Er, okay. -
@davidtorrance Then feel free to just ignore me. I shan't bother you again. I'm genuinely disappointed and baffled that you're so angry. -
@davidtorrance But mostly disappointed that you're sticking to your absurd line that most votes in a 2-choice referendum isn't a majority. -
@WingsScotland when did I say that? I was only ever talking about polling - you've erroneously conflated the two. -
@davidtorrance Define "erroneously". As there will be no Don't Knows, the polls show which side will win, and therefore have the majority.
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@davidtorrance You are, aren't you? I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, even though I'm at the opposite end. -
@WingsScotland by any measurement - voting habits, political beliefs & party membership - I'm not, & here's you claiming to be 'factual'. -
@davidtorrance Happy to stand corrected, merely the impression I've arrived at from everything I've seen you say. -
@davidtorrance Well, the fact you write prominently on the very Tory ThinkScotland seems a pointer.
@WingsScotland I've written several articles for newsnetscotland too, so not sure what your point is.-
@davidtorrance My point, simply enough, is that the impression I've personally formed is that you lean towards the Conservatives. -
@davidtorrance I make no claims of a scientific basis, merely a view formed over many months.
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@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile? -
@davidtorrance@wingsscotland How is the age of the pic relevant? -
@WingsScotland@telferandy1 they all look reasonable to me. Except the ones that aren't me, obviously. -
@davidtorrance But you like the one I used. "Rather good", you said. And it's landscape. So what's the problem?
@WingsScotland it had absolutely nothing to do with the content of your blog.-
@davidtorrance If you have any pictures of you looking confused with an abacus, I'd be happy to run them.
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@davidtorrance Not quite sure why believing in basic X>Y arithmetic makes one a "deranged maniac", but as you like. -
@WingsScotland oh, mustn't have made myself clear: I meant generally. -
@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already. -
@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile? -
@davidtorrance it is a smashing picture.
@PeterAdamSmith indeed it is. I regularly use it to annoy left-wing friends on Facebook.-
@davidtorrance quite right, too.
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@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already. -
@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile? -
@davidtorrance You are, aren't you? I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, even though I'm at the opposite end. -
@WingsScotland and if it's nothing to be ashamed of, why did your pejorative use of the term & picture feature so prominently in your blog? -
@davidtorrance "Pejorative"? In what sense? Mentioned it once, in the phrase "Tory commentator David Torrance", which doesn't seem to fit.
@WingsScotland to imply political bias/allegiance in a commentator is generally pejorative. Your use of that pic underlined that general aim-
@davidtorrance I've repeatedly said on the site that there's nothing wrong with commentators having allegiances. They're people too. -
@davidtorrance I'd find it a lot weirder and be a lot more mistrustful if they didn't.
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@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already. -
@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile? -
@davidtorrance You are, aren't you? I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, even though I'm at the opposite end. -
@WingsScotland by any measurement - voting habits, political beliefs & party membership - I'm not, & here's you claiming to be 'factual'. -
@davidtorrance Happy to stand corrected, merely the impression I've arrived at from everything I've seen you say.
@WingsScotland u'll be referring, of course, to all the articles I've written slagging off the Scottish Tory Party (of which there are many)-
@davidtorrance Ian Smart slags off Labour frequently too, and Jim Sillars the SNP.
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@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already. -
@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile? -
@davidtorrance You are, aren't you? I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, even though I'm at the opposite end. -
@WingsScotland by any measurement - voting habits, political beliefs & party membership - I'm not, & here's you claiming to be 'factual'. -
@davidtorrance Happy to stand corrected, merely the impression I've arrived at from everything I've seen you say.
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@davidtorrance Well, the fact you write prominently on the very Tory ThinkScotland seems a pointer. -
@WingsScotland I've written several articles for newsnetscotland too, so not sure what your point is. -
@davidtorrance My point, simply enough, is that the impression I've personally formed is that you lean towards the Conservatives. -
@davidtorrance I make no claims of a scientific basis, merely a view formed over many months.
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@WingsScotland@telferandy1 they all look reasonable to me. Except the ones that aren't me, obviously. -
@davidtorrance Not quite sure why believing in basic X>Y arithmetic makes one a "deranged maniac", but as you like. -
@WingsScotland oh, mustn't have made myself clear: I meant generally. -
@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already. -
@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile? -
@davidtorrance You are, aren't you? I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, even though I'm at the opposite end.
@WingsScotland and if it's nothing to be ashamed of, why did your pejorative use of the term & picture feature so prominently in your blog?-
@davidtorrance "Pejorative"? In what sense? Mentioned it once, in the phrase "Tory commentator David Torrance", which doesn't seem to fit. -
@WingsScotland to imply political bias/allegiance in a commentator is generally pejorative. Your use of that pic underlined that general aim -
@davidtorrance I've repeatedly said on the site that there's nothing wrong with commentators having allegiances. They're people too. -
@davidtorrance I'd find it a lot weirder and be a lot more mistrustful if they didn't.
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@davidtorrance Not quite sure why believing in basic X>Y arithmetic makes one a "deranged maniac", but as you like. -
@WingsScotland oh, mustn't have made myself clear: I meant generally. -
@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already. -
@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile? -
@davidtorrance You are, aren't you? I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, even though I'm at the opposite end.
@WingsScotland by any measurement - voting habits, political beliefs & party membership - I'm not, & here's you claiming to be 'factual'.-
@davidtorrance Happy to stand corrected, merely the impression I've arrived at from everything I've seen you say. -
@WingsScotland u'll be referring, of course, to all the articles I've written slagging off the Scottish Tory Party (of which there are many) -
@davidtorrance Ian Smart slags off Labour frequently too, and Jim Sillars the SNP. -
@davidtorrance Well, the fact you write prominently on the very Tory ThinkScotland seems a pointer.
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@davidtorrance Except the referendum isn't an election, is it? Who wins if there are two Yes votes and one No vote? -
@WingsScotland anyway enough, as a pal once said: you can't shout logic at a maniac & expect to win the argument. Happy (deranged) blogging. -
@davidtorrance Not quite sure why believing in basic X>Y arithmetic makes one a "deranged maniac", but as you like. -
@WingsScotland oh, mustn't have made myself clear: I meant generally. -
@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already.
@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile?-
@davidtorrance You are, aren't you? I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, even though I'm at the opposite end. -
@davidtorrance And there aren't any better landscape pics. Feel free to send one over if you'd prefer it. -
@davidtorrance@wingsscotland How is the age of the pic relevant? -
@WingsScotland by any measurement - voting habits, political beliefs & party membership - I'm not, & here's you claiming to be 'factual'.
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@davidtorrance Except the referendum isn't an election, is it? Who wins if there are two Yes votes and one No vote? -
@WingsScotland anyway enough, as a pal once said: you can't shout logic at a maniac & expect to win the argument. Happy (deranged) blogging. -
@davidtorrance Not quite sure why believing in basic X>Y arithmetic makes one a "deranged maniac", but as you like. -
@WingsScotland oh, mustn't have made myself clear: I meant generally. -
@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already.
@WingsScotland no, you're the deranged maniac, who (ironically) gives your own side a bad name; you'd need self-awareness to appreciate that-
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