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David Torrance
@davidtorrance
Recently described as a 'Scottish urban hipster in London' - political journalist, broadcaster and contemporary historian (& biographer of Alex Salmond)
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@davidtorrance My interpretation of what you said respectfully differs. But then, I'm a paranoid deranged maniac. -
@WingsScotland not embarrassed to have written blog based on a misrep'ion of my argument & undermined it with puerile language & use of pix? -
@davidtorrance But, y'know, shall I start scouring your work for things I consider inaccurate or misrepresentation? -
@WingsScotland yes, and I'll fess up when they (genuinely) are inaccurate or misleading, something you seem incapable of doing. -
@davidtorrance What Salmond actually said in that interview was "Yes, [+qualifier]". You've ignored the qualifier and called him a liar.
@WingsScotland pretty feeble. And I called no one a 'liar' - that's the sort of word people like you use.-
@davidtorrance You said that he said yes but meant no. What would that be but a lie? -
@davidtorrance In the same piece, you talked of "the political pooper-scooper" and "cleaning up First Ministerial mess". Not puerile? -
@davidtorrance Or is it humour when you do it, but puerile when you're at the other end? -
@davidtorrance "Desperate not to be labelled a “cutter” Salmond presented a reduction in further education college funding as a modest rise" -
@davidtorrance A clear implication that he did it deliberately, rather than reading figures provided in error in good faith.
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@davidtorrance My interpretation of what you said respectfully differs. But then, I'm a paranoid deranged maniac. -
@WingsScotland not embarrassed to have written blog based on a misrep'ion of my argument & undermined it with puerile language & use of pix? -
@davidtorrance But, y'know, shall I start scouring your work for things I consider inaccurate or misrepresentation? -
@WingsScotland yes, and I'll fess up when they (genuinely) are inaccurate or misleading, something you seem incapable of doing. -
@davidtorrance "... on an independent Scotland’s membership of the EU." http://www.thinkscotland.org/todays-thinking/articles.html?read_full=11779&article=www.thinkscotland.org …
@WingsScotland and that's inaccurate how?-
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@davidtorrance Which part would that be? -
@WingsScotland I never disputed that more yes than no votes in the#indyref wouldn't constitute a majority.I was talking about opinion polls -
@davidtorrance My interpretation of what you said respectfully differs. But then, I'm a paranoid deranged maniac. -
@WingsScotland not embarrassed to have written blog based on a misrep'ion of my argument & undermined it with puerile language & use of pix? -
@davidtorrance But, y'know, shall I start scouring your work for things I consider inaccurate or misrepresentation?
@WingsScotland yes, and I'll fess up when they (genuinely) are inaccurate or misleading, something you seem incapable of doing.-
@davidtorrance Okay then, but we could be here a while. -
@davidtorrance Let's start with "Before that he replied “yes” (apparently meaning “no”) when asked if he’d sought legal advice..." -
@davidtorrance "... on an independent Scotland’s membership of the EU." http://www.thinkscotland.org/todays-thinking/articles.html?read_full=11779&article=www.thinkscotland.org … -
@davidtorrance And clearly I'm not - I've added your refutation, while retaining it as my personal impression. -
@davidtorrance What Salmond actually said in that interview was "Yes, [+qualifier]". You've ignored the qualifier and called him a liar.
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@davidtorrance And just by the by, I've added a footnote to the article noting that you object to the description "Tory". Fair-minded, me. -
@WingsScotland you could also correct the part of the blog which claims I said something I didn't. And remove the irrelevant picture. -
@davidtorrance Which part would that be? -
@WingsScotland I never disputed that more yes than no votes in the#indyref wouldn't constitute a majority.I was talking about opinion polls -
@davidtorrance My interpretation of what you said respectfully differs. But then, I'm a paranoid deranged maniac.
@WingsScotland not embarrassed to have written blog based on a misrep'ion of my argument & undermined it with puerile language & use of pix?-
@davidtorrance Still waiting to hear what the "puerile" or "pejorative" language was, or why you want a picture you like removed. -
@davidtorrance But, y'know, shall I start scouring your work for things I consider inaccurate or misrepresentation? -
@davidtorrance Or would that be the action of a tiresome obsessive? -
@WingsScotland yes, and I'll fess up when they (genuinely) are inaccurate or misleading, something you seem incapable of doing. -
@davidtorrance Okay then, but we could be here a while.
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@davidtorrance And just by the by, I've added a footnote to the article noting that you object to the description "Tory". Fair-minded, me. -
@WingsScotland you could also correct the part of the blog which claims I said something I didn't. And remove the irrelevant picture. -
@davidtorrance Which part would that be? -
@WingsScotland I never disputed that more yes than no votes in the#indyref wouldn't constitute a majority.I was talking about opinion polls -
@davidtorrance My interpretation of what you said respectfully differs. But then, I'm a paranoid deranged maniac.
@WingsScotland it's not a matter of interpretation, it's about what I did & did not say. And you consider your blog responsible & accurate?-
@davidtorrance That assertion rests on a non-definitive interpretation of the word "majority". As far as I'm concerned, a poll showing... -
@davidtorrance ...more Yes votes than No votes in a referendum with only two choices is a majority. -
@davidtorrance Your alternative view is also legitimate, but somewhat hairsplitty.
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@davidtorrance But mostly disappointed that you're sticking to your absurd line that most votes in a 2-choice referendum isn't a majority. -
@WingsScotland when did I say that? I was only ever talking about polling - you've erroneously conflated the two. -
@davidtorrance And just by the by, I've added a footnote to the article noting that you object to the description "Tory". Fair-minded, me. -
@WingsScotland you could also correct the part of the blog which claims I said something I didn't. And remove the irrelevant picture. -
@davidtorrance Which part would that be?
@WingsScotland I never disputed that more yes than no votes in the#indyref wouldn't constitute a majority.I was talking about opinion polls-
@davidtorrance My interpretation of what you said respectfully differs. But then, I'm a paranoid deranged maniac. -
@WingsScotland it's not a matter of interpretation, it's about what I did & did not say. And you consider your blog responsible & accurate? -
@davidtorrance That assertion rests on a non-definitive interpretation of the word "majority". As far as I'm concerned, a poll showing... -
@davidtorrance ...more Yes votes than No votes in a referendum with only two choices is a majority. -
@WingsScotland not embarrassed to have written blog based on a misrep'ion of my argument & undermined it with puerile language & use of pix?
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@davidtorrance The blog was about you and it's a picture of you. That's a connection. I like having a picture in a post. -
@WingsScotland that's an incredibly feeble argument but then, as I said, you're a little bit nuts. I've tried to reblock u but can't. G'nite -
@davidtorrance But mostly disappointed that you're sticking to your absurd line that most votes in a 2-choice referendum isn't a majority. -
@WingsScotland when did I say that? I was only ever talking about polling - you've erroneously conflated the two. -
@davidtorrance And just by the by, I've added a footnote to the article noting that you object to the description "Tory". Fair-minded, me.
@WingsScotland you could also correct the part of the blog which claims I said something I didn't. And remove the irrelevant picture.-
@davidtorrance Which part would that be? -
@WingsScotland I never disputed that more yes than no votes in the#indyref wouldn't constitute a majority.I was talking about opinion polls -
@davidtorrance My interpretation of what you said respectfully differs. But then, I'm a paranoid deranged maniac. -
@WingsScotland it's not a matter of interpretation, it's about what I did & did not say. And you consider your blog responsible & accurate? -
@davidtorrance That assertion rests on a non-definitive interpretation of the word "majority". As far as I'm concerned, a poll showing...
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@davidtorrance The blog was about you and it's a picture of you. That's a connection. I like having a picture in a post. -
@WingsScotland that's an incredibly feeble argument but then, as I said, you're a little bit nuts. I've tried to reblock u but can't. G'nite -
@davidtorrance But mostly disappointed that you're sticking to your absurd line that most votes in a 2-choice referendum isn't a majority. -
@WingsScotland when did I say that? I was only ever talking about polling - you've erroneously conflated the two. -
@davidtorrance Define "erroneously". As there will be no Don't Knows, the polls show which side will win, and therefore have the majority.
@WingsScotland I didn't assert what you just claimed I did; I was only ever talking about Indy polling, not the#indyref itself. Sigh.-
@davidtorrance@WingsScotland Polling is about the#indyref so you can't just disconnect the two.
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@davidtorrance The blog was about you and it's a picture of you. That's a connection. I like having a picture in a post. -
@WingsScotland that's an incredibly feeble argument but then, as I said, you're a little bit nuts. I've tried to reblock u but can't. G'nite -
@davidtorrance But mostly disappointed that you're sticking to your absurd line that most votes in a 2-choice referendum isn't a majority.
@WingsScotland when did I say that? I was only ever talking about polling - you've erroneously conflated the two.-
@davidtorrance Define "erroneously". As there will be no Don't Knows, the polls show which side will win, and therefore have the majority. -
@davidtorrance And just by the by, I've added a footnote to the article noting that you object to the description "Tory". Fair-minded, me. -
@davidtorrance Even to people hurling abuse at me with piqued abandon. -
@WingsScotland I didn't assert what you just claimed I did; I was only ever talking about Indy polling, not the#indyref itself. Sigh. -
@WingsScotland you could also correct the part of the blog which claims I said something I didn't. And remove the irrelevant picture.
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@davidtorrance The blog was about you and it's a picture of you. That's a connection. I like having a picture in a post.
@WingsScotland that's an incredibly feeble argument but then, as I said, you're a little bit nuts. I've tried to reblock u but can't. G'nite-
@davidtorrance Having a picture of the subject of an article is a "feeble" justification? Er, okay. -
@davidtorrance Then feel free to just ignore me. I shan't bother you again. I'm genuinely disappointed and baffled that you're so angry. -
@davidtorrance But mostly disappointed that you're sticking to your absurd line that most votes in a 2-choice referendum isn't a majority. -
@WingsScotland when did I say that? I was only ever talking about polling - you've erroneously conflated the two. -
@davidtorrance Define "erroneously". As there will be no Don't Knows, the polls show which side will win, and therefore have the majority.
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@davidtorrance You are, aren't you? I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, even though I'm at the opposite end. -
@WingsScotland by any measurement - voting habits, political beliefs & party membership - I'm not, & here's you claiming to be 'factual'. -
@davidtorrance Happy to stand corrected, merely the impression I've arrived at from everything I've seen you say. -
@davidtorrance Well, the fact you write prominently on the very Tory ThinkScotland seems a pointer.
@WingsScotland I've written several articles for newsnetscotland too, so not sure what your point is.-
@davidtorrance My point, simply enough, is that the impression I've personally formed is that you lean towards the Conservatives. -
@davidtorrance I make no claims of a scientific basis, merely a view formed over many months.
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@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile? -
@davidtorrance@wingsscotland How is the age of the pic relevant? -
@WingsScotland@telferandy1 they all look reasonable to me. Except the ones that aren't me, obviously. -
@davidtorrance But you like the one I used. "Rather good", you said. And it's landscape. So what's the problem?
@WingsScotland it had absolutely nothing to do with the content of your blog.-
@davidtorrance If you have any pictures of you looking confused with an abacus, I'd be happy to run them.
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@davidtorrance Not quite sure why believing in basic X>Y arithmetic makes one a "deranged maniac", but as you like. -
@WingsScotland oh, mustn't have made myself clear: I meant generally. -
@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already. -
@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile? -
@davidtorrance it is a smashing picture.
@PeterAdamSmith indeed it is. I regularly use it to annoy left-wing friends on Facebook.-
@davidtorrance quite right, too.
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@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already. -
@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile? -
@davidtorrance You are, aren't you? I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, even though I'm at the opposite end. -
@WingsScotland and if it's nothing to be ashamed of, why did your pejorative use of the term & picture feature so prominently in your blog? -
@davidtorrance "Pejorative"? In what sense? Mentioned it once, in the phrase "Tory commentator David Torrance", which doesn't seem to fit.
@WingsScotland to imply political bias/allegiance in a commentator is generally pejorative. Your use of that pic underlined that general aim-
@davidtorrance I've repeatedly said on the site that there's nothing wrong with commentators having allegiances. They're people too. -
@davidtorrance I'd find it a lot weirder and be a lot more mistrustful if they didn't.
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@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already. -
@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile? -
@davidtorrance You are, aren't you? I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, even though I'm at the opposite end. -
@WingsScotland by any measurement - voting habits, political beliefs & party membership - I'm not, & here's you claiming to be 'factual'. -
@davidtorrance Happy to stand corrected, merely the impression I've arrived at from everything I've seen you say.
@WingsScotland u'll be referring, of course, to all the articles I've written slagging off the Scottish Tory Party (of which there are many)-
@davidtorrance Ian Smart slags off Labour frequently too, and Jim Sillars the SNP.
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@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already. -
@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile? -
@davidtorrance You are, aren't you? I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, even though I'm at the opposite end. -
@WingsScotland by any measurement - voting habits, political beliefs & party membership - I'm not, & here's you claiming to be 'factual'. -
@davidtorrance Happy to stand corrected, merely the impression I've arrived at from everything I've seen you say.
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@davidtorrance Well, the fact you write prominently on the very Tory ThinkScotland seems a pointer. -
@WingsScotland I've written several articles for newsnetscotland too, so not sure what your point is. -
@davidtorrance My point, simply enough, is that the impression I've personally formed is that you lean towards the Conservatives. -
@davidtorrance I make no claims of a scientific basis, merely a view formed over many months.
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@WingsScotland@telferandy1 they all look reasonable to me. Except the ones that aren't me, obviously. -
@davidtorrance Not quite sure why believing in basic X>Y arithmetic makes one a "deranged maniac", but as you like. -
@WingsScotland oh, mustn't have made myself clear: I meant generally. -
@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already. -
@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile? -
@davidtorrance You are, aren't you? I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, even though I'm at the opposite end.
@WingsScotland and if it's nothing to be ashamed of, why did your pejorative use of the term & picture feature so prominently in your blog?-
@davidtorrance "Pejorative"? In what sense? Mentioned it once, in the phrase "Tory commentator David Torrance", which doesn't seem to fit. -
@WingsScotland to imply political bias/allegiance in a commentator is generally pejorative. Your use of that pic underlined that general aim -
@davidtorrance I've repeatedly said on the site that there's nothing wrong with commentators having allegiances. They're people too. -
@davidtorrance I'd find it a lot weirder and be a lot more mistrustful if they didn't.
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@davidtorrance Not quite sure why believing in basic X>Y arithmetic makes one a "deranged maniac", but as you like. -
@WingsScotland oh, mustn't have made myself clear: I meant generally. -
@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already. -
@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile? -
@davidtorrance You are, aren't you? I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, even though I'm at the opposite end.
@WingsScotland by any measurement - voting habits, political beliefs & party membership - I'm not, & here's you claiming to be 'factual'.-
@davidtorrance Happy to stand corrected, merely the impression I've arrived at from everything I've seen you say. -
@WingsScotland u'll be referring, of course, to all the articles I've written slagging off the Scottish Tory Party (of which there are many) -
@davidtorrance Ian Smart slags off Labour frequently too, and Jim Sillars the SNP. -
@davidtorrance Well, the fact you write prominently on the very Tory ThinkScotland seems a pointer.
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@davidtorrance Except the referendum isn't an election, is it? Who wins if there are two Yes votes and one No vote? -
@WingsScotland anyway enough, as a pal once said: you can't shout logic at a maniac & expect to win the argument. Happy (deranged) blogging. -
@davidtorrance Not quite sure why believing in basic X>Y arithmetic makes one a "deranged maniac", but as you like. -
@WingsScotland oh, mustn't have made myself clear: I meant generally. -
@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already.
@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile?-
@davidtorrance You are, aren't you? I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, even though I'm at the opposite end. -
@davidtorrance And there aren't any better landscape pics. Feel free to send one over if you'd prefer it. -
@davidtorrance@wingsscotland How is the age of the pic relevant? -
@WingsScotland by any measurement - voting habits, political beliefs & party membership - I'm not, & here's you claiming to be 'factual'.
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@davidtorrance Except the referendum isn't an election, is it? Who wins if there are two Yes votes and one No vote? -
@WingsScotland anyway enough, as a pal once said: you can't shout logic at a maniac & expect to win the argument. Happy (deranged) blogging. -
@davidtorrance Not quite sure why believing in basic X>Y arithmetic makes one a "deranged maniac", but as you like. -
@WingsScotland oh, mustn't have made myself clear: I meant generally. -
@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already.
@WingsScotland no, you're the deranged maniac, who (ironically) gives your own side a bad name; you'd need self-awareness to appreciate that-
@davidtorrance I'm aware of soaring readership figures, but they're probably all psycho nutjobs too, I suppose. Gnite.
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Rev. Stuart Campbell tears up Tory boy
@davidtorrance for arse paper http://wingsland.podgamer.com/damning-with-praise/ …#IndyRef#VoteYes#bettertogether#YesScot
@ThereWasACoo@wingsscotland anyway, you pair are supposed to be blocked. If there were a twitter ombudsman I'd complain.-
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Rev. Stuart Campbell tears up Tory boy
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@ThereWasACoo I love the use of the prefix 'Rev' to imbue a maniac with a phoney sense of authority & sanity, nice tough.@wingsscotland-
@davidtorrance In fact I am one, albeit somewhat lapsed. But crikey, Dave, you've got an awful lot of anger there. -
@davidtorrance Never said a remotely unpleasant word about you until now, but I'm a "paranoid deranged maniac". Ach well.
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@davidtorrance accuses us of, er, caring about getting our facts right: http://wingsland.podgamer.com/damning-with-praise/ …#indyref#yesscot -
@WingsScotland uve outdone yourself in terms of paranoid ramblings.Definition of 'majority' in electoral terms widely understood except by u -
@davidtorrance Except the referendum isn't an election, is it? Who wins if there are two Yes votes and one No vote? -
@WingsScotland anyway enough, as a pal once said: you can't shout logic at a maniac & expect to win the argument. Happy (deranged) blogging. -
@davidtorrance Not quite sure why believing in basic X>Y arithmetic makes one a "deranged maniac", but as you like.
@WingsScotland oh, mustn't have made myself clear: I meant generally.-
@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already. -
@WingsScotland no, you're the deranged maniac, who (ironically) gives your own side a bad name; you'd need self-awareness to appreciate that -
@davidtorrance I'm aware of soaring readership figures, but they're probably all psycho nutjobs too, I suppose. Gnite. -
@WingsScotland and don't you think labelling me a 'Tory' & using a (rather good) old pic to illustrate your blog is a bit puerile? -
@davidtorrance You are, aren't you? I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of, even though I'm at the opposite end.
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Damning with praise -
@davidtorrance accuses us of, er, caring about getting our facts right: http://wingsland.podgamer.com/damning-with-praise/ …#indyref#yesscot -
@WingsScotland uve outdone yourself in terms of paranoid ramblings.Definition of 'majority' in electoral terms widely understood except by u -
@davidtorrance Except the referendum isn't an election, is it? Who wins if there are two Yes votes and one No vote?
@WingsScotland anyway enough, as a pal once said: you can't shout logic at a maniac & expect to win the argument. Happy (deranged) blogging.-
@davidtorrance Not quite sure why believing in basic X>Y arithmetic makes one a "deranged maniac", but as you like. -
@WingsScotland oh, mustn't have made myself clear: I meant generally. -
@davidtorrance ZING! Must be a lot of deranged maniacs in Scotland, then. But as a Tory I imagine you think that already. -
@WingsScotland no, you're the deranged maniac, who (ironically) gives your own side a bad name; you'd need self-awareness to appreciate that -
@davidtorrance I'm aware of soaring readership figures, but they're probably all psycho nutjobs too, I suppose. Gnite.
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Damning with praise -
@davidtorrance accuses us of, er, caring about getting our facts right: http://wingsland.podgamer.com/damning-with-praise/ …#indyref#yesscot -
@WingsScotland uve outdone yourself in terms of paranoid ramblings.Definition of 'majority' in electoral terms widely understood except by u -
@davidtorrance Except the referendum isn't an election, is it? Who wins if there are two Yes votes and one No vote?
@WingsScotland um, that wd make a 2-to-1 victory for 'yes'. You can't strip out don't knows in a referendum, thus no one in UK polling does.-
@davidtorrance Of course you can, because that's what happens in the actual vote.
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Damning with praise -
@davidtorrance accuses us of, er, caring about getting our facts right: http://wingsland.podgamer.com/damning-with-praise/ …#indyref#yesscot
@WingsScotland uve outdone yourself in terms of paranoid ramblings.Definition of 'majority' in electoral terms widely understood except by u-
@davidtorrance Except the referendum isn't an election, is it? Who wins if there are two Yes votes and one No vote? -
@davidtorrance People who don't know either pick a side or stay home. Side that gets the most votes has a "majority" by definition. -
@WingsScotland um, that wd make a 2-to-1 victory for 'yes'. You can't strip out don't knows in a referendum, thus no one in UK polling does. -
@WingsScotland anyway enough, as a pal once said: you can't shout logic at a maniac & expect to win the argument. Happy (deranged) blogging. -
@davidtorrance Of course you can, because that's what happens in the actual vote.
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@aitchison_david from memory, the sample size was extremely small; needs to be around 1,000 to be considered accurate/scientific. -
@tangotony not being negative (yr spin), trying to assess Labour support fr indy. It's clearly v small; u've offered no evidence to contrary -
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@Clarkson77 fair point re: 2011 polling but it's still a logical (and incorrect) leap from that to arguing online polls are just as reliable -
@Clarkson77 sorry, but they're not as accurate as official polls. You appear to be the only one who believes that. -
@tangotony you know full well that 1800 'likes' offers no guidance to levels of support. Organised Labour for Indy clearly has v few members -
@tangotony I've sent you a compelling argument, u've sent me 1unscientific poll, so we're equal. This chat is now rather futile, so g'night. -
@Clarkson77 online polls are interesting but not reliable guides to public opinion. No mainstream party (including SNP) takes them seriously -
@Clarkson77 sorry, you can quote all the online polls you want but they don't count, not least because they're wide open to manipulation. -
@bellacaledonia@WingsScotland@fishisoff you're all getting a bit silly, I didn't say there would be a DK option on the ballot paper... -
@WingsScotland@fishisoff@bellacaledonia when did I say that? Majority in polling terms means a majority, not stripping out DKs. -
From a constitutional point of view this is fascinating. The Royal Veto is, it seems, actually used... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/14/secret-papers-royals-veto-bills …
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@andrew_haddow@Clarkson77@STVNews yes, committed at responding to online polls! -
@3pSteve engagement is key :) Remember, majority support means 50%+ and the sample size has to be around 1,000 to be deemed accurate. -
@Clarkson77@STVNews hang on, were these proper polls or online surveys in which people could vote online? There is an obvious difference. -
@bellacaledonia@ScotlandTonight um, it does count! What@WingsScotland tweeted is incorrected, as shown by his own source. -
@Clarkson77@STVNews fair enough, but are you saying it's no longer online? And how many STV polls were there showing majority support? -
@tangotony compelling contrast of 45% SNP vote in '11 & consistent pro-indy polling of around 33%:how do you conclude Lab support from that? -
@tangotony un, u presented me with a single source which wasn't reliable. Others have sent me a single poll showing 20% Lab support for indy -
@3pSteve@bellacaledonia@WingsScotland@ScotlandTonight that statement is true. Quite happy to be corrected, but I note you're not trying. -
@Clarkson77 haven't ignored them as I remember the ones you're talking about, but sample sizes were always too small to take them seriously. -
@KevinJPringle@CalumCashley we can't really get into excluding 'don't knows', polling on other stuff doesn't usually do that. -
@scouriebeast no need to apologise, and sorry to hear about your dad. -
@scouriebeast fair point, but it doesn't really count as it had a qualification in the question (i.e. Tories winning next election). -
@CalumCashley I stand corrected, last 1 was in the Telegraph in 2006. There was another just b4 '92 election, which@KevinJPringle shd rmbr! -
Thanks to everyone who responded to my query abt indy polling: seems only one poll (Telegraph, '06) in 'recent years' shows maj indy support
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@_mozza_ ok, even acc'g 06 as 'recent', BJ said more than one poll, when in fact it's just one poll. You can't concede anything can you? :) -
@bellacaledonia@WingsScotland@ScotlandTonight doh what? The link doesn't back up his assertion. Only one, 2006, shows maj support for indy -
@rennie1948@WingsScotland eh? I blocked him because he was tiresome and a little bit obsessive. -
@_mozza_ I stand corrected on that point (see, I can admit mistakes), but it still makes what BJ said on Scotland Tonight wrong. -
@rennie1948@WingsScotland@ScotlandTonight only one of those polls (2006, Telegraph) shows majority (i.e. more than 50%) for indy. -
@_mozza_ only one of those is a majority 'yes' vote (ie more than 50%) and that was back in 2006. Not sure how that makes me wrong. -
@KevinJPringle@CalumCashley indy ahead but not a majority. As far as I can remember the last poll (with decent sample size) was early 90s. -
@John_CCC links please? And when I said 'majority for indy' I mean more than 50%; and a sample size of around 1,000. -
@_mozza_ remember the Express poll, it had a minuscule sample & was widely dismissed at time. Last major poll to show maj was in early '90s. -
@davidtorrance said independence supporters believe independence will cure all Scotland's problems, nobody I know claims it will#scotnight
@Paulmoravia I quite clearly said "some" believe it will, not all.-
@davidtorrance@Paulmoravia Agree, there are a vocal few but that's the case with all 'causes'. We're not all so naive. -
@davidtorrance there probably are a very small minority out there. I'm sure an independent Scotland will be better, but it wont be perfect
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Blair Jenkins says he can 'remember polls in recent years' which show a majority for indy. Anyone know which he's referring to?
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@hopeorbust nope, knitted green tie -
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@HughTrowsers@scotlandthinks and, I suspect, countries like Germany & France. -
@HughTrowsers@scotlandthinks such as? Voter expectations, in terms of tax levels, etc, are quite markedly different in Scandinavian nations -
@jikdmmen@scotlandthinks read the blog - we're different but not as different as a lot of folk like to think. -
@ScotlandThinks@a2mac quite right too, it'd only end up with silly people contradicting you. -
@A2Mac I've never been asked to write for@scotlandthinks :( Glad you liked the piece - same paradox applies to other parties too, obviously -
@loveandgarbage@scotlandtonight it seems I've become the story. Not good. -
@benjudge23@scotlandtonight surely you'd agree I'm worth discussing? I might have a new hairstyle. -
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#scotnight chief exec of the Yes campaign, Blair Jenkins - discussing Europe, political commentator David Torrance.. -
Self-serving caricatures deny Scotland and England's similarities: David Torrance for ThinkScotland http://www.thinkscotland.org/todays-thinking/articles.html?read_full=11861&article=www.thinkscotland.org …
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@bellacaledonia@kloseali@agmckillop agreed, but still think the issue is more than a media "parlour game". -
@bellacaledonia@AGMcKillop would Scots in rUK & abroad who feel they ought to be able to vote consider it a "parlour game"?
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